From - Thu Jul 02 07:13:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 7032 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 1998 02:48:27 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 02:48:27 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA17033 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.syr.edu (root@mailbox.syr.edu [128.230.1.5]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17029 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sudial0410-072.syr.edu (sudial0410-072.syr.edu [128.230.151.72]) by mailbox.syr.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA23498 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807020239.WAA23498@mailbox.syr.edu> X-Sender: cdevoe@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca From: Chris DeVoe Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Subject: Scouts, Sewards & Rain X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 How's that subject header for covering 3 recent topics? At 06:29 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Dave Russell wrote: >I'm planning on heading into the Sewards July 10, 11, 12th. A succesful >trip will put me at 30 peaks of great hiking in the outdoors. Is there >anything I should be aware of? any tips? anything? Last weekend, six Scouts and five adults from Boy Scout Troop 1in Syracuse journeyed down the Coreys Road to do the Seward Range. Friday midday, we packed into Blueberry Leanto (yeah, the one with the bicycle) and set up tents in the area just in time for rain to start. It was moderate overall, and the rain broke so we could have dinner, then resumed & continued most of the night. Not as heavy as elsewhere (Burlington VT National Weather Service radio said Keeseville has 5 1/2 inches!) but probably was a couple of inches. Saturday, light rain finally stopped about 7:30 AM, so we got a late start, but climbed Seward in the clouds and misty wind. Half the group went back down, but five of us persevered and did Donaldon and Emmons, then back over Don. and Seward to reach camp about 8:15 in the dusk. The ceiling lifted after Donaldson the first time, so we had the great views to the W and SW this range is known for! Also, the stream up Seward is absolutekly beautiful, filled with small falls and flumes. Made it really worth it for me (except I spraining my ankle on the way out). >The other thing I remember is a >formidable rock ledge that the path meets, near the top. Although I'm sure >some dare to scale it head-on, it's much safer to go around to the left on >your ascent, where it's only a few feet high.. Actually the entire headwalls under 7 feet high and, yes, it gets shorter the farthest left you go. The first opening at the left had a "ladder" -- a root with a couple of "rungs". I used one, grabbed a tree base and hauled myself up easily. The ledge isn't as major as, say, the Macomb headwall at the top of the slide. A few observations for Dave: the McMartin book is pretty accurate about time -- it took us a total of 11 hours to/from the leanto over all peaks, and about an hour between each summit once up Seward. If you want to do the three peaks in one day, don't start from the base after about 9:30 AM -- I'd not want to descend the north side of Seward in the dark in its slippery condition. The mess of herd paths on the north side of Seward is not difficult to follow, but you can be taken off to the East at times. Keep the main stream in mind, and if you lose the path just head back West toward it. There were only a couple of trees down on the Blueberry trial on the way in, but another five or so came down with the storm, including one large one about 400 yards south of the parking area; since it blocked the horse trail also, it may be cleared by now. Most looked downed by wind. Blowdown on the herd paths is limited, but there's one doozy in the Donaldson-Emmons Ridge col that forces you to crawl through underneath. I agree to take lots of water, but don't know about bugs. Temps were in the 60s and there were almost no bugs, except for late in the day on the south side of Seward's ridge in the sun. Actual flood damage was nonexistant where we were, but we did hear that Rte. 3 between Saranac & Tupper was closed for a while Saturday (and heard about worse damage to the East and Northeast, of course). But the rain did make the herd paths streams, and there was lots of standing water in the cols. The Scouts did well, though only those over 15 did all three summits. It was a long day for all, but they weren't exhausted. To give some idea of the range of experience, various of our older group attained their 7th, 17th and 26th peaks, but for six Seward was their second or third peaks. We did try to look after the area as best we could. Hauled 5 pounds of trash out (mainly from the fireplaces and fire rings, although we did find an empty can on Emmons!) With these three, I'm now up to 42! I will email Mindy with my report soon. Only need MacNaughton, Seymour, Allen and Esther/Whiteface now. Thank you. Good luck, Dave! Chris DeVoe 42er Syracuse NY PS: I did not see anything apparent at the top of Donaldson coming in from the west from the horse trail. From - Thu Aug 20 22:01:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 6539 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 1998 00:32:52 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 00:32:52 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00869 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aldus.northnet.org (qmailr@aldus.northnet.org [198.175.11.2]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00860 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: bullard@northnet.org Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Received: (qmail 4697 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 1998 00:26:36 -0000 Received: from isdn-18.canton.northnet.org (HELO circle) (209.2.153.99) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 00:26:36 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980820184022.007c6740@northnet.org> X-Sender: bullard@northnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:40:22 -0400 To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca, adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Subject: Re: Hough and Dix conquered! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 At 11:02 PM 8/19/98 EDT, BJKFINN@aol.com wrote: >We did try to find our >way to the Macomb slide on Sunday (with no true intentions of >climbing...) but couldn't figure out where to go.... >do you really climb up that dirt and loose >rock? No signs of others traveling there and we knew at least >two groups had gone in in the morning. And which one of the >three slides gets you to the rock slide? To get to Macomb follow the clear herd path up the left of the brook. Eventually it ends up in the brook and there are cairns to *the slide*. Never mind the little ones along the way that are all so short you can see the trees a short distance up. When you reach the right one you'll know it. The others pale in comparison. There is a large rubble mass at the bottom which is visible as you approach it coming up the brook. After you get to the top of the slide you still have a significant climb. You will reach a herd path that traverses the ridge. Go left to the summit. There is an open spot just a few feet West of the canister if you're fortunate enough to be there on a day with views. The herd path north continues on to South Dix. > Jim B. -- I think Katie and I talked to you at the Slide Brook Lean-to on >Monday morning??? Gotta get Rick going so he can catch up with Katie (now a >12er)!!! > >Joanne (21er) > Yes that was me. We managed Macomb, South Dix and East Dix that day with *very* hazy views. Between a lack of sleep the previous night and a touch of some sort of flu bug I was in rough shape by day's end and we only managed Dix on Tuesday. That makes Rick a happy 9r. He wants double digits this year. He's enthusiastic. He'll make it. Jim Bullard Jim & Diane Bullard PO Box 5, West Stockholm, NY 13696 USA From - Mon Aug 31 21:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 22517 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 02:00:50 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 02:00:50 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14506 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aldus.northnet.org (qmailr@aldus.northnet.org [198.175.11.2]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA14502 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:58:58 -0400 (EDT) From: bullard@northnet.org Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Received: (qmail 21870 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 01:59:06 -0000 Received: from ppp-110.canton.northnet.org (HELO circle) (205.232.141.175) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 01:59:06 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980831215556.007d0e20@northnet.org> X-Sender: bullard@northnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:55:56 -0400 To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Subject: Re: Colden Slide In-Reply-To: <19980831.191108.6775.2.ken_amy@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 At 08:01 PM 8/31/98 EDT, you wrote: ..snip... >I intend, if the weather is good, to climb the 1990 slide on Colden. >I know that the starting point is just a few minutes towards Lake >Arnold from the Feldspar Brook leanto. Please refresh my memory about >the best way to go when I get to the top of the slide. > >Thanks, > >Ken C., #4234 > I've done it 3 ways Ken. The bottom half of the slide is easy. About midway it turns right. At that point you have three options. 1) go up the middle. This route is steep and fairly smooth. Not a lot of cracks, cups bumps etc. for footholds. We (Mimi, Henry Krecher and I ended up bailing out into the brush a bit over half way up this section and doing a rather rough bushwhack for about 45 minutes. 2) At the turn you can see an old slide to the left through the trees. Don't try to get to it's base like I did. Getting onto the base was mossy, wet and slick. Go a bit farther up the new slide until you see a rocky knob and try to cross over there. I think it will be a better route. The old slide itself has patches of new growth and red moss. STAY OFF THAT MOSS. To borrow a phrase from "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" it's slicker than cat scat on a linoleum floor. 3) Rick Reed and I took the right hand slide the last time. It's base is a short way up from the turn. It is steep but seems to have more footholds, it takes you very near the summit and there is a distinct herdpath at the top. Actually it's clearer than the Gray to Marcy herdpath. I think I like the last route best, but maybe that's only until I try another one. Jim Bullard From - Mon Aug 31 21:51:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 2700 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 1998 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 22:26:27 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA13992 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aldus.northnet.org (qmailr@aldus.northnet.org [198.175.11.2]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13988 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2154 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 1998 22:24:58 -0000 Received: from ppp-68.canton.northnet.org (HELO northnet.org) (209.2.152.69) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 22:24:58 -0000 Message-ID: <35EB2269.364929D0@northnet.org> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:23:37 -0400 From: Thomas Wheeler Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Reply-To: twheeler@northnet.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca" Subject: 4000 footers in New England Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 If no one noticed, the 4000 footer committee has now officially changed the 4000 footer list for the AMC. Wildcat D replaces Wildcat E, and Redington and Spaulding are added in Maine. There is a three year period during which the old list still counts (or either list) expiring April 1, 2001. This no doubt will require one to do 115 peaks to be a 111er of which of course, 111 are really above 4000. Tom From - Tue Sep 01 17:39:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 25367 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 21:33:15 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:33:15 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA15788 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA15784 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike46R@aol.com Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Received: from Mike46R@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id LCOFa25245 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:30:53 EDT To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Colden Slide Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 7 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Joe: We just did the Trap Dike last week - for the second time. The first time we missed the exit and fought our way through intense cripplebush at the top of the Dike. This time we did it right and what a difference!!! If you have McMartin's book, we hit the exit about 20 minutes earlier than she suggests. There is a big boulder and if you go to the left of it you will miss the cairn that marks the exit -- which we must have done the first time. If you go to the right there a path around the boulder and a small cairn. The trail is pretty indistinct off the dike, but it is just as she describes in her book. You hit another big boulder shortly after leaving the dike and you go around that through the faint herd path and keep going 200 feet across and you hit the slide. It is an awesome climb, especially when it's done right. Mike From - Fri Sep 04 06:21:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 18994 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 1998 06:41:12 -0000 Received: from tikki.coloradocollege.edu (HELO tikki.cc.colorado.edu) (205.170.0.3) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 06:41:12 -0000 Received: from exchange1.cc.colorado.edu (exchange1.ColoradoCollege.edu) by ColoradoCollege.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #27722) with ESMTP id <01J1E1B2ILOI95PIK1@ColoradoCollege.edu> for choffer@northnet.org; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:42:05 MST Received: by exchange1.cc.colorado.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:40:55 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:40:52 -0600 From: "Stephanie Goehrig (S)" Subject: RE: Again To: 'Charlie Hoffer ' Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Thank you so much for the picture! I just got back to college this week. The Hare and I summited Mt. Katahdin on August 16th. We had beautiful blues skies to end an incredible five months on the Appalachian Trail. I hope you enjoyed the rest of your trip in the White Mts. I know we did. The picture you sent will be a great memorie to share with others. Once again thank you for not only the picture but the smiling faces on the trail! Happy Trails- Tortoise ---------- From: Charlie Hoffer To: s_goehrig@cc.colorado.edu Sent: 8/9/98 4:43:06 AM Subject: Again Let's try the photo enlargement agn- -single click on the paper clip -dbl click on the small icon that appears entitled "Garfield.jpg" CH From - Thu Sep 24 06:21:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 20883 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1998 02:38:37 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 02:38:37 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA15060 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aldus.northnet.org (qmailr@aldus.northnet.org [198.175.11.2]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA15056 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19956 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1998 02:35:25 -0000 Received: from ppp-106.canton.northnet.org (HELO northnet.org) (205.232.141.171) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 02:35:25 -0000 Message-ID: <3609AF7A.5A4EB2D9@northnet.org> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:33:30 -0400 From: Thomas Wheeler Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Reply-To: twheeler@northnet.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Subject: Re: snow boots! References: <19980923235512.11019.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 A typical boot is not designed to provide significant insulation. In the winter, the first thing to get cold is your extremities. Boots also get wet in the winter, especially with wetter snow, but also from sweat and from snow coming down or inside your gators. The consequences of wet or cold feet are much more serious in the winter than in other seasons. For example, in the group I hike with we did have one hiker (who at the time was a mountain or two away from finishing the 46) get significant frostbite of his toes losing substantial tissue and requiring significant medical treatment. When the temperature is low, and the wind is blowing strongly, and your body is saying move that warmth to the core,. your feet will be the first to feel it. With insulating boots, your feet can be comfortable even at 20 or more below. With your regular hiking boots, your feet may feel like they are encased in ice. Now I have used my regular hiking boots in many of my winter hikes. Most of the time this has been during days above zero. But I still recall wearing my sundowners to climb Marcy and how painfully cold they were once we got into the wind with temperatures below zero. I had to descend as quickly as I could to see if I could get them warm. By contrast, with my insulated boots I have been entirely comfortable at much colder temperatures. If I expect temperatures near zero, I get out my trukkees. My feet are more comfortable and I am too. By the way, the extended forecast is for a cold winter this year. Mark Engelbert wrote: > Hi All! I am new to this snow hiking thing, but could someone please > help me and tell me why regular hiking boots do not work in the winter. > Is it the temps or the snowshoes that require the good boots! I would > appreciate any help. mark > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Mon Jan 11 18:04:19 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 9581 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jan 1999 16:39:35 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 16:39:35 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA10021 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from aldus.northnet.org (qmailr@aldus.northnet.org [198.175.11.2]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA10017 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8629 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jan 1999 16:36:36 -0000 Received: from ppp-67.canton.northnet.org (HELO northnet.org) (209.2.152.68) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 16:36:36 -0000 Message-ID: <369A2963.26502296@northnet.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:40:03 -0500 From: Tom Wheeler Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Subject: Re: Marshall References: <3696D874.E3858179@music.stlawu.edu> <369A11B1.4D36@frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 916072778.9616.aldus The trick for Marshall is that when you get to the vlei, the tendency is to try to turn left (south) too soon. In fact, the herd path is past the vlei, and the summit is more west south west than south. This is based on the experience of two trips. In the first one we went south too soon and ended up spending much more time than necessary in finding the route. The second one we got to the summit pretty directly by following these bearings (although we had to argue with people in order to convince them. It does help if they are willing to look at the map.) The herdpath itself is not all that important as long as you head in the right direction. Storyman wrote: > I am planning on leading a trip to Marshall this weekend (1/16) with the > ADK. Anyone been up there recently. It is pretty open up to the site of > the old Beaver dam - I recall skirting the vlei and about halfway 'round, > hanging a left then the climbing gets steep. From what I have heard, the > herd path is pretty tough to find from that point on. > > Any suggestions > > Thanks > Rick Story > #4217 From - Tue Jan 12 19:10:09 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 27551 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jan 1999 03:37:13 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 12 Jan 1999 03:37:13 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA11020 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA11016 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:35:27 -0500 (EST) From: FORTY6ER@aol.com Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Received: from FORTY6ER@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OHCSa18626 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:23:13 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:23:13 EST To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Marshall Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 916118413.8894.aldus I agree with Tom and LJ. If you image the vlei/beaver dam area as a clock and you arrive at the 6:00 o'clock setting from the stream, the herd path leaves the vlei at about the 10:30 or 11:00 setting. I made the mistake of heading up at the 9:00am setting and encountered very thick wood and several small bluffs that were difficult to negotiate. As I recall, I found the true herdpath down from the top and it is quite wide and free of brush. --Joe Srebro 3102w From - Tue Jan 19 13:57:59 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 1692 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jan 1999 16:23:35 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 Jan 1999 16:23:35 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA20047 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA20043 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:21:14 -0500 (EST) From: Hardks86@aol.com Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Received: from Hardks86@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7OCKa04795 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:19:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:19:18 EST To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: crampons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 916763190.2717.aldus Kathleen Gill gave me a hint on putting on the crampons or snowshoes and not getting cold hands. Put on a thin wool liner type glove and then put on the plastic playtex gloves like you use for washing dishes (you guys MIGHT NOT know what I'm talking about). She also used this for a man who had very cold hands and was in serious bad shape in the Whites. It worked so fast to warm his hands that he didn't return them until the end of the hike! The platex gloves can also be used to open a thermos bottle cap or water bottle top that is so hard to take off in colder weather. Sorta like a gripper. Happy Trails! Barb From - Fri Feb 26 06:27:09 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: choffer@northnet.org Received: (qmail 22199 invoked by uid 0); 26 Feb 1999 03:59:28 -0000 Received: from mudhead.uottawa.ca (agent@137.122.106.100) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 26 Feb 1999 03:59:28 -0000 Received: (from agent@localhost) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA12493 for uadk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by mudhead.uottawa.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA12488 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from default - 153.34.126.43 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:57:24 -0800 Message-ID: <008a01be613b$e70b6140$2b7e2299@default> From: "WIL DESBIENS" Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca To: Subject: Re: Chicken Coop and Katahdin. Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:36:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 920001568.22215.aldus Carl: As you descend Basin heading northeast you will immediate come to a narrow ledge - stay high for safety - then drops steeply down to a col ( this is not the one) at .2 of a mile then rises gradually to the shoulder of Basin (.4 mile) then drops steeply at first then moderates down to the col (at .7 mile). This is the col I am refering to. From here the trail then rises for a short distance to the obvious rock ledges that we have been discussing. In the col, just pick you favorite point to head magnetic north. The woods will start to open up. If you error - error towards the Northeast - but basically head downhill which will naturally lead you to the brook. From here, you don't need your compass - let gravity guide you. The slide or ski trail that I am refering to is about the same steepness as the Macomb slide - some folks felt comfortable going down it. As a matter of fact I had some folks write me that they thorougly enjoyed the butt-slide down. Some folks were (are) a little uncomfortable with that and chose to walk down the fairly open woods down next to the slide. This drains right down to the brook which intersects with the trail at Bushnell Falls lean-to. Wil Desbiens, 4071W -----Original Message----- From: CARL HOWARD Reply-to: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca To: adk46-l@mudhead.uottawa.ca Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Chicken Coop and Katahdin. >Where exactly is this escape route? From >Wils' description it sounds like it begins in >the col b/n Saddleback and Basin. Is this >col obvious? or are there a few little "cols" >b/n these peaks. It's been awhile. Any >features signaling the jumping off spot? >Magnetic north from there appears to take >you to the shelters just upstream from >Bushnell Falls, right? Any other >guidances? > >I may be climbing Katahdin from Roaring >Brook and Chimney Pond Feb. 28-March >4, anyone been up there recently? How's >the snow? Anyone else plan to be there >then? > >-Carl Howard > # pending >